FE and the Future

[DAD]

Things that in my view should happen before moving on:

1) Ady need to apologise to Vectra either by PM or in public.  I'm sure he's the first to admit he fucked up and now regrets sending those PMs.

2) Vectra need to apologise to Ady and Alex for posting parts of the PM, It should have never made a public thread.  PMs are private and should remain that way.   Instead he should have reported it directly to Alex or the hosts of FE (yes it was a serious matter).

3) Leave the staff as they are.  Apart from Ady, no-one has done anything wrong.  Why should they have to stand up and be counted in a vote for new staff?  Yes, threads have been deleted but the staff that did that were following standard procedure as they contained information not meant for the general membership.  If I were still a Moderator there I would have done the same thing.

4)  Alex needs to explain why the forum closed, although it doesn't take much thought as to why he probably did it.  As he's already stated in 'that' thread that he's extremely busy with work commitments (RLI) and with what was going on understandably felt a little swamped and closed the site until such time when he was able to deal with it.  Bad move IMHO but he's the boss and he can do what he likes.

5) Restore some of the changes that seem to have popped up such as the missing EDIT button.  FFS bring it back its a fundamental part of the forum.  I think I know why it disappeared - some members were taking the piss and constantly altering their posts - making subsequent posts by other members to be nonsensical.

6) Scrap this stupid poll and let Alex choose who he wants for additional mods.  Yes we need people on the staff who are regulars and know their stuff and some excellent suggestions have been made.  Just for the record I'm not fussed either way but thank you for all your nominations, its nice to be appreciated.

7) Stop this witch hunt.  Alex has invested time and money into Fruit Emu and can do as he pleases with it.  I'm positive he didn't foresee any of these problems when he agreed to purchase the site from Duplu and probably wishes he didn't now.  Nevertheless he's the owner and we all should be bloody pleased FE is still around.  FME would be a far emptier place without it.

Just my tuppence worth

Cheers

[vectra666]

All the comments above I totally agree with,  all these feuds woth myself and Ady got totally out of hand,  like a big bubble it had to burst sometime. Mistakes have been made on both parties hopefully lessons learnt. As for those pm's snapshots etc the last pm from ady was reported to alex along with others in the past,  but nothing was done about them, so inevitably the truth had to be told well my half anywaY's.  I didn't want to release those but I suppose of 'cracked' in the end with all the abusive posts via Facebook etc.
With the site temporary closing I think this and the other events to do with this was the final straw for alex 
After all its his business and name on the site's.
The edit button being removed, again due to members completely altering or deleting abusive posts it had to be removed.
Unfortunately due to recent events we lost a few loyal members @fruit emu. Who I hope alex will reinstate soon.
As for apologies yes as said before maybe I was wrong to post that stuff on jpf and nows the time to apologise for my actions.
Again to ady sorry for the whole sorry mess we both got into, hopefully we can All put this behind is and move on to brighter things and improve site Member relations.
The moderators layout badges topics aren't helping either only stoking the fires once more.

[Geddy]

The edit button being removed, again due to members completely altering or deleting abusive posts it had to be removed.
 

Is this true?  Has a member of the FE staff come out and said this?

[altharic]

All the comments above I totally agree with,  all these feuds woth myself and Ady got totally out of hand,  like a big bubble it had to burst sometime. Mistakes have been made on both parties hopefully lessons learnt. As for those pm's snapshots etc the last pm from ady was reported to alex along with others in the past,  but nothing was done about them, so inevitably the truth had to be told well my half anywaY's.  I didn't want to release those but I suppose of 'cracked' in the end with all the abusive posts via Facebook etc.
With the site temporary closing I think this and the other events to do with this was the final straw for alex 
After all its his business and name on the site's.
The edit button being removed, again due to members completely altering or deleting abusive posts it had to be removed.
Unfortunately due to recent events we lost a few loyal members @fruit emu. Who I hope alex will reinstate soon.
As for apologies yes as said before maybe I was wrong to post that stuff on jpf and nows the time to apologise for my actions.
Again to ady sorry for the whole sorry mess we both got into, hopefully we can All put this behind is and move on to brighter things and improve site Member relations.
The moderators layout badges topics aren't helping either only stoking the fires once more.

When an apology is forced it does not mean a heck of a lot particularly when you will do the same shit when the new mods are installed.

[DAD]

All the comments above I totally agree with,  all these feuds woth myself and Ady got totally out of hand,  like a big bubble it had to burst sometime. Mistakes have been made on both parties hopefully lessons learnt. As for those pm's snapshots etc the last pm from ady was reported to alex along with others in the past,  but nothing was done about them, so inevitably the truth had to be told well my half anywaY's.  I didn't want to release those but I suppose of 'cracked' in the end with all the abusive posts via Facebook etc.
With the site temporary closing I think this and the other events to do with this was the final straw for alex 
After all its his business and name on the site's.
The edit button being removed, again due to members completely altering or deleting abusive posts it had to be removed.
Unfortunately due to recent events we lost a few loyal members @fruit emu. Who I hope alex will reinstate soon.
As for apologies yes as said before maybe I was wrong to post that stuff on jpf and nows the time to apologise for my actions.
Again to ady sorry for the whole sorry mess we both got into, hopefully we can All put this behind is and move on to brighter things and improve site Member relations.
The moderators layout badges topics aren't helping either only stoking the fires once more.

Nice post vectra and something you didn't really have to posts here.  It would have made more of an impact via PM to Ady and Alex but thanks anyway.

[Tommy c]

All the comments above I totally agree with,  all these feuds woth myself and Ady got totally out of hand,  like a big bubble it had to burst sometime. Mistakes have been made on both parties hopefully lessons learnt. As for those pm's snapshots etc the last pm from ady was reported to alex along with others in the past,  but nothing was done about them, so inevitably the truth had to be told well my half anywaY's.  I didn't want to release those but I suppose of 'cracked' in the end with all the abusive posts via Facebook etc.
With the site temporary closing I think this and the other events to do with this was the final straw for alex 
After all its his business and name on the site's.
The edit button being removed, again due to members completely altering or deleting abusive posts it had to be removed.
Unfortunately due to recent events we lost a few loyal members @fruit emu. Who I hope alex will reinstate soon.
As for apologies yes as said before maybe I was wrong to post that stuff on jpf and nows the time to apologise for my actions.
Again to ady sorry for the whole sorry mess we both got into, hopefully we can All put this behind is and move on to brighter things and improve site Member relations.
The moderators layout badges topics aren't helping either only stoking the fires once more.

When an apology is forced it does not mean a heck of a lot particularly when you will do the same shit when the new mods are installed.

not a very constructive post this, shit stiring if yiu ask me

[vectra666]

Nothing new there tommy not from the main ringleader on Fme Facebook but just goes to show some people never will change,  at least I'm trying to make amends and move,on trying to make the site friendly again, As for pm ing ady I'd rather say what I said in public. That way everyone can see what I think right now and I'm not being forced I Have made apologies/truces many times to ady etc only for them to be broken Not on my part incidently!

[altharic]

Nothing new there tommy not from the main ringleader on Fme Facebook but just goes to show some people never will change,  at least I'm trying to make amends and move,on trying to make the site friendly again, As for pm ing ady I'd rather say what I said in public. That way everyone can see what I think right now and I'm not being forced I Have made apologies/truces many times to ady etc only for them to be broken Not on my part incidently!

Yes but you do this everytime you over setp the mark, also I am not a member of that group,

[DAD]

Well that's 1 & 2 knocked off the list as Ady and Vectra have both apologised, as in this thread at FE:

http://www.fruit-emu.com/forums/index.php?/topic/48758-changes-to-moderation-team/

Still waiting for answers for the rest!!   

[Daryl]

Well that's 1 & 2 knocked off the list as Ady and Vectra have both apologised, as in this thread at FE:

http://www.fruit-emu.com/forums/index.php?/topic/48758-changes-to-moderation-team/

Still waiting for answers for the rest!!   

I am pleased to see progress is being made at Fruit Emu - thanks for the update DAD.

I will just add my 'tuppence' worth now on this matter if I may, as I haven't said anything on an 'FME' forum with relation to what has happened because I had left them until Andy set up DAD's FME again.

In your points 1 and 2, as you've mentioned, progress has been made at that is great... I do think apologies were needed mutually, never mind who started it - it was poisoning the whole scene, and Fruit Emu in particular and nothing could've been resolved without both publicly apologising.

I do however disagree with point 3.  I do personally believe that whole administration and moderation team should relinquish there positions and go into the public vote that you say is being held at Fruit Emu. The staff remaining should also be allowed to stand, along with any other members that have been involved in the events of the last few months. If the forum doesn't move forward in such a way that it seems like the 'status quo' is staying the same, then I'm afraid that eventually things will just continue to simmer, perhaps pleasantly for a few months until such a time that inevitably the innuendos, digs, and then bitterness will just overflow onto Fruit Emu again. If it is a free and open vote, with members themselves, including the former staff voting too, then I think it'll be a much more balanced poll than keeping things 'as they are' and just adding extra moderation - it isn't going to solve anything in my honest opinion.

With point 4, and Alex: He has maintained throughout when he took over Fruit Emu that he is restricted by contractual agreements to the forum rules and management... As he actually closed the site for a few weeks anyway those contractual agreements were broken in my opinion so they can't obviously stand anymore anyway. Alex is a dear friend of mine, and I have told him this personally too. It is his site to do whatever he pleases with it. I believe he should do a clean sweep of the whole forum and carry on this public poll so as ALL Fruit Emu membership have their choice of deciding who helps ru the site with/for him. I also believe that a whole new set of forum rules should be written when the election is over (remember in the Moderator section Andy when I upped those from a council forums debate) - and he should make a 'sticky' thread with those new rules in them, and a pop-up message when you sign in for one-time only that you must read and agree too before you can actually log in, and then the pop-up redirect you to the new rules for the site - in the Moderator section too a new set of Moderator/Administrator rules should be made a sticky and all the new moderators and administrators be bound and tied by them.

Point 5 I'm not aware of... I am assuming that the members' right to edit posts has been removed? This is nonsensical and I know of no other forum that doesn't allow for this - however I do believe that all original posts should be logged and used for moderation purposes... Then if any post is actually altered it can be referred to by the moderators who will be able to see the original post before it was edited so as this could be used as vital to prove against any warnings, threats or abuse were originally posted (a notice for moderators only to see should be made visible on any edited post to tell them that this wasn't originally written and a link with the original post available for moderation use).

Point 6 - I do believe the poll does need to be kept, but like I said with a clean slate, sweep and everyone up for election... Moderators already standing can go through to the poll anyway for election and other members that are selected - and that way a fairer way of electing the team has been made by everyone.

Point 7 and Alex again. Yes it is his site and he alone has put the money forward to buy it... We have to remember of course the people who donate to Fruit Emu but Alex actually saved Fruit Emu from certain closure, only for him to realise just how much a thankless lot some of the FME community can be.

Now my position in all this:

I want to take this opportunity whilst apologies are being given to put mine to firstly vectra for agreeing along with other moderators and administrators for the PM that stanmarsh sent to you... In hindsight it was a wrong thing for us all to agree too, but even though we sent it in good faith at the time, hoping we could resolve a matter that was getting way out of hand, I believe that unfairly Mark has taken a lot of flak and abuse for sending it, when the whole of the active moderation team at the time agreed to it... So once agin vectra I apologise over this.

I will also forgive you for using my Facebook profile on Jackpotty forums to provide 'evidence' of your abuse and trolling... You have openly admitted it was wrong to do so, and you actually proved that you were doing to me what you were trying to complain about yourself - and I will leave it at that.

Now as I have said before, I have no intention of ever returning to Fruit Emu, but I do want to see it thrive and continue for the FME community as a whole - it is a vital part of the scene... But I believe that is some of things or all of them that I have mentioned above isn't implemented or followed through, then I'm afraid Fruit Emu will find itself in a familiar position within the next few months... and then it will probably be too late to save.

Peace and love guys

Daryl x