I know I haven't been around fruit machine emulation really for very long, I've been a lurker for a good few years but never really took part.
However I'm sick to the back teeth of seeing petty digs at each other and people provoking others for a reaction.
Can we all just get along and draw a line under the past events? This is a new site (well, clean slate) so can we all just quit being arses to each other and get along? We are all adults, not ten year olds.
I don't think this is an unreasonable request. I'm taking no sides.
If people still feel the need to make digs or provoke others then piss off for a bit, give your head a wobble and sort your life out then come back and be nice :p
Nah but thanks for asking.
It's not just you, however you're one of them. Stop it!
Agreed Slasher, good post!
Quote from: Slasher on Feb 22, 2015, 09:45 AMIt's not just you, however you're one of them. Stop it!
Without the inner fighting theres little elese to do in fme rather than cunt call each other.
Quote from: altharic on Feb 22, 2015, 11:31 AMQuote from: Slasher on Feb 22, 2015, 09:45 AMIt's not just you, however you're one of them. Stop it!
Without the inner fighting theres little elese to do in fme rather than cunt call each other.
Well I'm not fully aware of the situations but please stop it as it's getting silly and annoying and will scare people away if they happen to see it.
This is not just directed at you but as you replied directly I am replying to you.
We should all just get along and if we haven't got anything nice to say to a poster then don't say anything, end of really.
I know for a fact if I didn't know some people here and wasn't tough skinned I'd have seen some of the dig posts and been like fuck that I don't want to be part of this community. Imagine if I was a coder, showing an interest in emulating a new tech and then saw shit like that and fucked off?
Standard rule for me would be, as mentioned already, if you ain't got something nice or constructive to say then don't post a reply to that topic.
I'm not staff here, so obviously I have no say, but generally it is a nice community and I'm sure many agree that it would be nice to not have these jibes and shit going on all the time. They're getting boring now.
Alth is partially correct. That's how things used to be in FME but as Slasher says its getting tiresome now after 15 years or so. Lets have a little think about what we're posting and ask ourselves is it really necessary just to post crap just cos we're bored. If you have a genuine gripe with someone, take it to PM. If you have a complaint then PM me or one of the Admins.
Thanks
I've noticed over the last few days that there's been much less of this digging and bickering shit and people are instead being nice, so thanks guys and gals
No.... that's because there's nothing to have a dig at, at the moment. Business will resume in the near future.
Quote from: Slasher on Mar 04, 2015, 07:35 PMI've noticed over the last few days that there's been much less of this digging and bickering shit and people are instead being nice, so thanks guys and gals
Are you not that guy from cackpotty forums?
Quote from: Tommy c on Mar 04, 2015, 08:15 PMNo.... that's because there's nothing to have a dig at, at the moment. Business will resume in the near future.
Correct!
http://harrypotter.wikia.com/wiki/Leaky_Cauldron
Quote from: altharic on Mar 04, 2015, 08:30 PMQuote from: Slasher on Mar 04, 2015, 07:35 PMI've noticed over the last few days that there's been much less of this digging and bickering shit and people are instead being nice, so thanks guys and gals
Are you not that guy from cackpotty forums?
Yes I am, but I found fruit emu before finding JPF
Quote from: altharic on Mar 04, 2015, 08:30 PMQuote from: Slasher on Mar 04, 2015, 07:35 PMI've noticed over the last few days that there's been much less of this digging and bickering shit and people are instead being nice, so thanks guys and gals
Are you not that guy from cackpotty forums?
Nothing wrong with potty mister!
Quote from: Slasher on Mar 05, 2015, 08:56 AMQuote from: altharic on Mar 04, 2015, 08:30 PMQuote from: Slasher on Mar 04, 2015, 07:35 PMI've noticed over the last few days that there's been much less of this digging and bickering shit and people are instead being nice, so thanks guys and gals
Are you not that guy from cackpotty forums?
Yes I am, but I found fruit emu before finding JPF
Pot calling kettle black there's a fair amount of trolling and abuse goes on there.
Not on my watch.
There's Mr X some take the piss out of but he asks for it usually by posting stupid shit and even then I'm asking people to stop there too.
Difference is, nothing needs doing for the jackpotty "scene" whereas here people are potentially scaring possible devs off and insulting people that make layouts and contribute resources.
I totally agree Slasher, I imagine it's very likely that possible devs have been scared off.
Devs could be a little more vocal but I can appreciate that emulation, especially of fruit machines, can be a little sensitive and some coders might like to keep a low profile on a public forum as it could potentially impact their real lives.
J
Quote from: re-emulated on Mar 06, 2015, 11:15 AMI totally agree Slasher, I imagine it's very likely that possible devs have been scared off.
Devs could be a little more vocal but I can appreciate that emulation, especially of fruit machines, can be a little sensitive and some coders might like to keep a low profile on a public forum as it could potentially impact their real lives.
J
A Stirling job was done to protect him when he was being bullied there......
What coder has been bullied on any forum.....don't get this post at all!!
Quote from: Tommy c on Mar 06, 2015, 01:23 PMWhat coder has been bullied on any forum.....don't get this post at all!!
FENG! ;) ;)
Quote from: Geddy on Mar 06, 2015, 03:19 PMQuote from: Tommy c on Mar 06, 2015, 01:23 PMWhat coder has been bullied on any forum.....don't get this post at all!!
FENG! ;) ;)
...Shui 'my arse'! :P
Quote from: Daryl on Mar 06, 2015, 05:58 PMQuote from: Geddy on Mar 06, 2015, 03:19 PMQuote from: Tommy c on Mar 06, 2015, 01:23 PMWhat coder has been bullied on any forum.....don't get this post at all!!
FENG! ;) ;)
...Shui 'my arse'! :P
Feng Shui one too many U's and missing a T, is how it was described by Geddy at the time.
Though not sure how KC (Jon) can be Feng (Dialtone) unless he did a name change by deed poll.
bj
Quote from: barcrest junky on Mar 06, 2015, 06:18 PMQuote from: Daryl on Mar 06, 2015, 05:58 PMQuote from: Geddy on Mar 06, 2015, 03:19 PMQuote from: Tommy c on Mar 06, 2015, 01:23 PMWhat coder has been bullied on any forum.....don't get this post at all!!
FENG! ;) ;)
...Shui 'my arse'! :P
Feng Shui one too many U's and missing a T, is how it was described by Geddy at the time.
well... the arse bit was right for it then ;)
Feng deserved it because he was writing cheques with his keyboard his coding ability couldn't cash.
Remember the 300mb or so video that showed fuck all?
Wasn't so much Feng as his mouth piece that was the cuntbucket...... oh I fondly remember the post that I read that basically after months of telling people the 'score' that I could sit back and say 'I told you so.' I don't like basking in that type of glory but on that occasion it was very sweet. I think AMs post once the penny had dropped was especially satisfying.
Is the thread still about? ;)
Quote from: altharic on Mar 06, 2015, 10:27 PMFeng deserved it because he was writing cheques with his keyboard his coding ability couldn't cash.
Remember the 300mb or so video that showed fuck all?
This sounds a little bit different then and if that's what actually happened then I'd be among the first to say what a twat
Quote from: Geddy on Mar 07, 2015, 10:09 AMWasn't so much Feng as his mouth piece that was the cuntbucket...... oh I fondly remember the post that I read that basically after months of telling people the 'score' that I could sit back and say 'I told you so.' I don't like basking in that type of glory but on that occasion it was very sweet. I think AMs post once the penny had dropped was especially satisfying.
Is the thread still about? ;)
Would be at fruit forums if it is, can anyone get on there or has it been shut?
Yeah it was at FF...... Guitar pulled up an old post from a year or so previous that showed Andy/DT calling his Epoch project EPEE then it was all too much for AT to deny so he went off on one of his famous 'what you could have had woe is me' routines. The AM laid into him for duping everyone... :) :) :)
Shit just been to Fruit Forums and got Pr0n instead...... lmao... even more cunts there now then! :)
Quote from: altharic on Mar 06, 2015, 10:27 PMFeng deserved it because he was writing cheques with his keyboard his coding ability couldn't cash.
Remember the 300mb or so video that showed fuck all?
What does all that even mean? DT is an accomplished coder and pretty sure he did work in the gaming industry at some point.
J
Quote from: re-emulated on Mar 07, 2015, 02:48 PMWhat does all that even mean? DT is an accomplished coder and pretty sure he did work in the gaming industry at some point.
I *think* it refers to a fair few of DT's works were unfinished. Rumours are Wizzy finished a fair chunk of them including JPeMu....
Quote from: Geddy on Mar 07, 2015, 03:26 PMQuote from: re-emulated on Mar 07, 2015, 02:48 PMWhat does all that even mean? DT is an accomplished coder and pretty sure he did work in the gaming industry at some point.
I *think* it refers to a fair few of DT's works were unfinished. Rumours are Wizzy finished a fair chunk of them including JPeMu....
Even his Sharp emulation had massive chunks of mame in it.
Quote from: Geddy on Mar 07, 2015, 10:09 AMWasn't so much Feng as his mouth piece that was the cuntbucket...... oh I fondly remember the post that I read that basically after months of telling people the 'score' that I could sit back and say 'I told you so.' I don't like basking in that type of glory but on that occasion it was very sweet. I think AMs post once the penny had dropped was especially satisfying.
Is the thread still about? ;)
Here you go - link to alex's post, but the whole thread is worth another read
http://www.fruitforums.com/vb/showthread.php?28109-EPOCH-Emulation-The-Truth-Please&p=399273&viewfull=1#post399273
bj
Forgot how many wankers i hated at ff, irony is they never banned him and look what happened next.....
Oh that was a good read lol......
Oh the irony...... http://www.fruitforums.com/vb/showthread.php?28109-EPOCH-Emulation-The-Truth-Please&p=399058&viewfull=1#post399058 :)
$500 worth of cock sucking.
It would seem quite commonplace to use chunks of mame code. It would also seem that without use of this mame code, however naughty, how many fruit machine emulators would we actually have? 1, maybe 2? I'm not a coder and neither are 99% of fme members unfortunately, but we have all benefitted from their skills however they got there, wrong or right. I just think slagging them off because they no longer contribute is one of the very reasons this scene will never ever move forward.
Are there other emulator projects that are closed source but use mame code?
J
I just hope Guitar doesn't abandon fme. He is the only 'forum active' coder we have remaining.
J
Using MAME code is not bad thing and is actually encouraged, not giving back and or trying to sell a product containing MAME code is a different matter. Surely Wizzy should have been part of the coders 'code' so to speak but he actually ripped off the hand that fed him and I guess continues to do so to this day. He has given back to MAME far far less that he took and far far less that he should have done, leaving MAME and FME rather short changed.
I get the point about potential coders being put off joining our scene however I think FME is rather unique. I'm not aware of any other emulation scene where the coders have dicked the members about so much. I think Re-A and Guitar are exempt from this, I mean Guitar says this that and the other are easy to put in and will take X amount of time then a new 'direction' is taken to stop this happening but at least he communicates with the scene. The rest have been responsible for treating the members like shit. The EPEE saga, the MFME carrot dangles.... dear me no wonder us, the common plebs have turned so much to the dark side.
So sorry I do not buy this 'we will frighten them off' lark from where I'm sitting the coders were treated like Gods. Got their plaudits then for one Andy reason Tutton or another decided to piss us about and play games. Eventually the members got sick of being dicked about and give some back, fair enough in my book. Like I have always said there is one person and one person alone stopping a new release of MFME and that is Wizzy.... no one else.
I know for a fact that Raphael Nabets TMS99xx cores were wholy used in the mfme implimentation of the mps techs and the bug fixes used were not passed on to the author or the mame team until they asked for them from wizzy.
Who cares about Wizard and his coding skills, I thought he just stole code from mame as he couldn't code!!! How could he possibly make bug fixes....
Anyway that's not my point I just can't understand why suddenly you are slating DT and his lack of coding skills. He's not an active member any longer.
Anyway, instead of going on, what can be done to fix fme?
Can we set up a fund for Guitar? Be nice to get some input from Guitar, he certainly knows his stuff and is potentially the only fme coder around who still cares enough to work on emulators.
J
Quote from: re-emulated on Mar 07, 2015, 10:56 PMWho cares about Wizard and his coding skills, I thought he just stole code from mame as he couldn't code!!! How could he possibly make bug fixes....
Anyway that's not my point I just can't understand why suddenly you are slating DT and his lack of coding skills. He's not an active member any longer.
Anyway, instead of going on, what can be done to fix fme?
Can we set up a fund for Guitar? Be nice to get some input from Guitar, he certainly knows his stuff and is potentially the only fme coder around who still cares enough to work on emulators.
J
All guitar needs is to listen to who in the scene is left and act on it its tragic he posted that crap about amber being dead etc.
Coders disease means he forgets what its like on this side of the fence seeing carrots and horseshit.
Andrew tutton on several occasions told me that dialtones main 'job' in mfme was to document the code not actually code.
Now this is the problem you have with dialtone, he says tutton co coded jpemu whilst i doubt that dt never refuted it but stated it was true.
You can't rely on shit really.
If Guitar can bring something better than Amber, then I can accept its dead.
Lets look to the future instead of digging the same old shit up again. Its getting really boring now.
Quote from: DAD on Mar 07, 2015, 11:28 PMIf Guitar can bring something better than Amber, then I can accept its dead.
Lets look to the future instead of digging the same old shit up again. Its getting really boring now.
But i am sure you agree the cryptic crap damages his position, forces the reader to think fuck that lets watch the voice.
Quote from: DAD on Mar 07, 2015, 11:28 PMIf Guitar can bring something better than Amber, then I can accept its dead.
Lets look to the future instead of digging the same old shit up again. Its getting really boring now.
Are you arsed about one of them horse racing machines being emulated?
Quote from: altharic on Mar 07, 2015, 11:34 PMQuote from: DAD on Mar 07, 2015, 11:28 PMIf Guitar can bring something better than Amber, then I can accept its dead.
Lets look to the future instead of digging the same old shit up again. Its getting really boring now.
Are you arsed about one of them horse racing machines being emulated?
Personally I'm looking forward to the Sooty Machine. ;)
What's it matter so long as work continues on fruit machine emulation?
Quote from: altharic on Mar 07, 2015, 11:34 PMAre you arsed about one of them horse racing machines being emulated?
The horse racing game is not a high priority, and at the moment just a general wondering. I literally know nothing about those machines. I can take a decent guess how the horses move (screw thread), but other than that I have no idea what tech they use, or even if roms / artwork are available.
I think its no secret by now that I want to try and emulate the whole arcade experience, fruit machines, penny pushers, roulette, horse racing etc etc. Pretty much all the stuff not covered by MAME (and the fruitys). Mostly because that's what I played in my youth.
I'm forming a decent plan of action and I will go into detail on the 18th when I've had a chance to finish testing what I want to test.
Fruit machines are still very much the direction Amber is headed though.
Also don't build your hopes up with the 18th. There won't be an emulator release, probably just a lot of text and a video.
August is my tentative aim for a first release, so expect it around christmas.
Thanks for the post Guitar. I just like to read the tech stuff, videos etc of any developments are greatly appreciated.
Could the scene hire your emulation coding skills? I know its an extremely grey area but would donations help motivate you?
Be nice to hear your thoughts on this either way.
J
In all fairness 'hiring' a coder in theory would be fine but with FME track record of 'coder-member' relationships I doubt very much many people would stump up any cash. I think the coder being paid would heap all sorts of pressure on them since the members are paying for a service.
Are we also going to pay for the people who source the roms and artwork? Are we going to pay for people to make layouts? I mean people will try to charge $500 for 50 layouts or something next.. ;)
Yes, we don't have many options. I'd certainly be willing to donate, I guess there would be no guidelines per se, just that we are kept in the loop with fairly regular news updates, maybe people who have donated get a say in what they'd like him to work towards emulation wise.
Obviously we'd need a willing coder.
J
I agree with Geddy (shocker :) ) that it would likely lead to ill feeling within the scene.
Realistically I would need at least £300 a week in order to work on it full time, which whilst cheap in terms of hiring a coder, I doubt very much the scene would be willing to pay.
It would also mean I would have to work on techs that don't interest me, or could be a grey area legally.
It would also set a potentially dangerous precedent regarding roms / artwork, and its hard enough to get people to contribute that as it is.
Plus, say for instance everyone wants Red Gaming machines emulated. I've looked into red gaming, and it may be damn near impossible to get going. It might not be, I haven't had a thorough look so it could go either way, but from the way the tech is laid out, it could be a monumental task to get them running. If the scene is paying, will they be able to accept no for an answer?
It's best for the scene to keep money out of it really. I have motivation to continue, but real life has to take priority. There have been times in the past when I have been working on Amber for entire days in a row, to the detriment of other things. That has to stop.
I will get to all the techs eventually, but Amber for me is about preserving the past, not about gaining an advantage on modern machines. I like reliving some of the memories I have from my youth.
I don't need help with motivation, there is just a lot to do to get things where I want them to be and that takes time. I wish we already had everything emulated but alas that is not the case.
I don't think people realize how much effort goes into an emulation sometimes. It may not seem like much is happening, but it is.
If something needs 5000 lines of code to work, even after writing 4999 lines of code it still doesn't work properly, and there's not much to show. Sometimes bugs creep in, sometimes things just don't work the way you think, sometimes you need to go back and start again.
The new amber will be the definitive version, taking what I have learned to create an up to date FME package. All the cores are being written modularly so they can be used in future C++ projects with very little work if needs be.
The future of FME is bright, but it's the future, not the present. We'll get there eventually.
If people would like to show their appreciation, then a donation to my steam engine repair fund would be gratefully received, but that is up to individuals. There is no obligation to anyone and is entirely voluntary.
Quote from: Geddy on Mar 07, 2015, 06:33 PMOh that was a good read lol......
Oh the irony...... http://www.fruitforums.com/vb/showthread.php?28109-EPOCH-Emulation-The-Truth-Please&p=399058&viewfull=1#post399058 :)
that's one prediction that I would never, ever have seen coming! ;)
QuoteSo sorry I do not buy this 'we will frighten them off' lark from where I'm sitting the coders were treated like Gods.
That's the problem though, we don't do that any more and probably should do.
QuoteLets look to the future instead of digging the same old shit up again. Its getting really boring now.
That's exactly why I made this topic
QuoteAre you arsed about one of them horse racing machines being emulated?
If he wants to emulate one as a break from fruit machine shit then fine, plus don't forget Amber has the online thing, so it'd be great to see one of these in the online arcade thingy! Stop dictating what Guitar can and can't or should and shouldn't code. In fact reading the rest of this thread as I write this post, Guitar has already said
QuoteI think its no secret by now that I want to try and emulate the whole arcade experience, fruit machines, penny pushers, roulette, horse racing etc etc. Pretty much all the stuff not covered by MAME (and the fruitys). Mostly because that's what I played in my youth.
so let him get on with it and be patient! He's already proven to the scene that he can in fact code an emulator and is continuing to do so.
QuoteI've looked into red gaming, and it may be damn near impossible to get going.
I really hope this isn't the case with Red Gaming, but if it is then fair enough, you're doing a better job than I could anyway.
Before I get accused of arse licking, I'd just like to say these are my views, I barely know Guitar, but I have tried and was impressed with what I've seen of Amber so far. For me, it's moving forward and I'll continue to be patient and encourage everyone else to be. Whether you like Guitar or not is irrelevant as he is the only one that's actually doing anything for the scene. Sure, there's layout creators, people that host forums like this one, etc, but without the emulator, it might as well all be dead. Patience people, and be nice!!
Quote from: Guitar on Mar 08, 2015, 04:35 PMPlus, say for instance everyone wants Red Gaming machines emulated.
Not
everyone... I for one, haven't even heard of the tech, yet alone playing on it on FME!! ;)
Red gaming is the manu daryl. The tech is just mpu 5 witj some supreme security.
Quote from: Daryl on Mar 08, 2015, 06:32 PMQuote from: Guitar on Mar 08, 2015, 04:35 PMPlus, say for instance everyone wants Red Gaming machines emulated.
Not everyone... I for one, haven't even heard of the tech, yet alone playing on it on FME!! ;)
Barcrests MPU5 tec basicaly they run on, although they have done others.
Problem is from what I understand, is they use some rather strange custom security chips, that as of yet, we do not fully stand, let alone able to crack.
Remember when BWB started that lark on MPU4, and how much of a bugger that was to understand?
Thankfully as of yet, I have not dealt with a Red MPU5 based machine in real life (I've never been much of a fan of their games anyway), but there probs will be a time when I do.
One thing I do want to suggest though, is that it maybe worth talking to Andrew96 @ Classic Reels, to get a better understanding of their games possibly?
I love red gaming machines!
The only one I can think of which I'd love to see running is the Red Dwarf machine.
I would like to see the line up 25th anniversary edition from Red Gaming.
bj
Life's a beach
Hot hot hot
Crazy cobra
I'd like to see any running imagine a cab with legs
Quote from: Johnnyafc on Mar 09, 2015, 11:29 AMI'd like to see any running imagine a cab with legs
If it had its hoppers dangling -
you could then say the slot was doing a 'streak'... I'll get me coat! :P
Quote from: Daryl on Mar 09, 2015, 11:51 AMQuote from: Johnnyafc on Mar 09, 2015, 11:29 AMI'd like to see any running imagine a cab with legs
I'll get me coat! :P [/size]
I'll help you on with it mate for that joke lmao :D
Oh dear.
Now I know why this type of joke is called a "dad joke".